Hello, everyone. Welcome to episode 200 of the IA cast. And we have an awesome, awesome group with us today to reminisce and talk about the IAcast past, present, and future. So with me today, I have Jeff Bishop. Hey, Jeff.

Hello, Michael.

We have Taylor Arent.

Hello, Michael.

And Lynn Schneider. Hi, Lynn. How are you doing?

Hello, Michael. And everyone else.

It's good to have you all here. And wow, 200 episodes of this show. I started this thing back in 2015 on a blue snowball microphone. Wow, those were some interesting days. I'd never podcasted before, and I went to Best Buy and I said, what's the best microphone to start podcasting on? And they said, try the blue snowball. It definitely sounded like it.

Didn't you even do an Apple Watch podcast once?

I did, like, episode six, and I should do a follow up and do a. This is how the Apple Watch sounds now. I opened just press record and made a, I think, like a ten to 30 Minutes podcast on the Apple Watch using just press record. What was weird, though, was having to hold the watch right up to my face for 30 minutes. That made my arm kind of tired.

Oh, my gosh.

Quite humble beginnings, I would say.

Right? And I did that just because it was a test, just like, okay, let's see what this sounds like. I think it was episode 75. We did another similar episode where a bunch of us got different headphones, and we recorded using those different headphones. And some people sounded very good, and some people sounded terrible.

That sounds like a fun one. I love that kind of stuff.

Yeah, it was very interesting. We intend to keep doing fun things like that on the show. So that's what I love about the IA cast, is we've done so many fun things over the years, and we're going to continue to do that. And I think it's just neat that we've been able to do that many episodes and have such a diverse group of hosts and things like that. And it's funny, speaking of hosts, we may be getting another one incoming, so that's pretty nice. And it's interesting because we've had so many peoplE. We've probably had probably around 30 hosts over the past eight years. 2015. Yeah, eight years. That is a crazy long time. Jeff, when did you get involved? Do you remember when you did your first episode? Because I don't remember anymore.

I don't remember, Michael. It's been a long time, though.

It has.

Someone should Google this or ask chat GPT or something. It's been a while, though. Five years, at least. Six years.

Yeah, something like that. For a long time.

But you guys were going for a couple of years, though, before I got started, I think.

I think so.

I think you were in the high twenty s or something. Yeah.

And we went about 15 episodes, and then we got Jason and a few other folks involved, and then a few other folks stopped being on the show and more joined and some stopped being on the show, and some just don't have time to really be on. And there's a person that does have time to be on that I'm adding into the room now. Hi, Michael. Welcome to episode 200 of the IA cast. Hello. So we've been talking about the past eight years of the show, the IA cast, and that we've done 200 episodes, and we think we need to come up with something with Chat GPT to figure out how long each of us have been on the show. I mean, I know I've been there since the beginning, but I think Jeff has been there for a very long time. Taylor, you've been there? How long have you been on the show, Taylor?

I don't know. Like maybe 15.

Yeah. Episode maybe probably around 2019. 2020 Is when you joined?

Yeah.

As a host.

And then my first episode, I think, was 153 or something close to that.

Wow. So we've had so many different. We've had Allison Malloy previously Allison Hartley. We've had Shelley Brisbane on and, man, that was a funny episode because there was an outtake about a product from CES and involving Jason Earls, and he made a joke and did not get the joke. And it was kind of a dirty joke, and he's kind of known to get all of the dirty jokes. We had to stop the show for a good five minutes because he didn't get the joke that. Yeah, so we've had a lot of funny times on this show, and it's funny because I feel like the more polished you try to be on a podcast, the more difficult it is to stay polished. Yeah, but when you try to be more conversational, things just kind of flow a little bit better and you don't have as many outtakes. Do you guys see that on other shows and different things that you're on?

Well, I think the first thing is the idea that you don't take your tech too seriously. I think that's really important because we are just a bunch of folks that use technology every day. Sometimes we complain about it, sometimes it's great, sometimes it fails us. But I think that we don't take it too seriously and we're not too. What do you call it? Strangulated by it. We sort of just have the free flowing thoughts and ideas. And I think that's really nice because there are a lot of podcasts out there that if you wanted the news, the tech news, you put it on, and people talk about the tech news, but it's not fun. I mean, I think part of what we do is we try to have fun with our tech and we try to have fun with each other. So I think that's the nice part about it. People get to know us not just as experts, which many of us are, but also as just people that sometimes also get really annoyed with their tech. And sometimes we pick on Apple, sometimes we pick on know. Everybody's fair know, and I think that just makes it very interesting. And.

I think because we're all willing to sit down and get to know each other, I feel like sometimes with our podcasts, and it shouldn't be like this. On every show, we all try to sit down and get to know each other through our podcasts, because that's what these conversations do, is we build. The goal of my company is to build community through technology. And that's kind of what we do with these podcasts, too. And we started as a podcast, and now we've built a network around the word iacast. And it's been a very cool eight years and very cool 200 episodes. And I think that we're going to keep this thing going. We're in no way going to ever stop the IA cast. And it's kind of nice because we did stop for a little while because we didn't have a lot of people to be on these panels and talk about technology, but they're not going know. I'm curious, Michael, do you have any memories that kind of just stand out to you about the IACast or the podcast that you want to share, whether any funny or great moments that really stand out to you that you want to mention.

So the thing that comes to mind for me when I think of IACast is trying technology out. And ideally, the listener never knows, but sometimes Michael changes things up a little bit to be able to see what works best and what's the most efficient way. And I really appreciate the fact that we can all come together and share, hey, this worked for me, or this tool didn't work, or I was trying to get information out of my custom GPT for technically working, but I forgot to give it episode 36. And it kept telling me that maybe I should pay attention to those directions. So I think that's what stands out to me. That makes IACast different from other shows, because you do have those polished 57 minutes every day. Here's your show, those quick five minute hit shows. And I think at IACaSt, there's a lot of difference in that format, and that makes it unique for the listeners. And then, of course, you go and throw Spanish in the middle of it. It's like, what? That's not technology related. What is this? And that's what you get with IACast.

Yeah, I mean, our goal is to educate, but to be conversational about it, to bring that new kind of. You're not going to get the same thing week to week when you listen to any show on the network, and especially like the IACast podcast, because we always have a news segment, but we try to have a conversation about something in technology or a topic and bring our panelists and talk about it. Is there a specific episode or outtake or anything from any of the last episodes you've been on? Michael? That just kind of, like, that will never be something I can forget, that will always stick with me, like a memory of something we've talked about or done?

No, because it feels like forever since I've been on a show. Is there when you're thinking of them, Michael?

Not in particular. I was just curious if there was like, well, okay, there's so many outtakes, like Jason's outtake with Jason's belch on YouTube.

That was, I think, the first episode or the second episode I was on, so I guess that one always sticks with me.

Well, were you here when I mentioned Shelly's episode that she was. Yeah. Yeah. That was probably the most memorable for me. Then there was the outtake where Aliyah had her braille sense in the other room, and it was when we were trying to be very polished and very professional, and my headspace was very much on a certain topic, and her braille sense powered on, and the cuckoo alarm started going off, and it just repeated that and just something happened, and I lost my mind and started laughing for five minutes just because I was so focused on what I was trying to talk about. And the fact that that randomly happened was enough to just make me laugh hysterically for five minutes. So there's been a lot of funny moments on this show and different shows. I know you guys have had some great outtakes on Unmute, and I think there's been somewhere where Marty has not known what show they've been on.

There's been somewhere I've forgotten the spiel that I'm given, like, what I'm talking about. That happens more often than people realize.

All the things you could take out in production, right?

Yeah. Although this live environment with technically working has, I think, shaped the show a little bit more. Tomorrow's episode is like 61 minutes, so it's right at that hour time frame, you can take some out, but you got to keep a lot of it in there for the context later on in the story.

Right.

What really makes me laugh about technically working, which is another show on the network, is Michael and Mossi used to do a show called the DM series. Right. And one of the things, it was not a family friendly show, right. So their goal is to make technically working family friendly, and just sometimes there's a slip up, and every time I'm listening live, it makes me laugh hysterically.

Because you shouldn't know about it in the podcast. And so it just makes that even more funny, too, I think.

Right, because usually Michael or demosu realizes that they made a mistake. It's like, oh.

Yeah. Because I think that there's sort of a trend toward everyone making their podcasts sound like TV shows or really professional. And obviously, you don't want to hear somebody's bag of potato chips in the background. But by the same token, I think when you see people as human, you see these people that know all this stuff and are trying to educate everybody, but every once in a while, they drop their microphone or something happened. And I think that helps us to not seem like just a bunch of. What's the word? I can't think of the word I'm trying to think of right now. But in other words, we're human. We make mistakes, and we have fun. We have fun with our tech. And I think that's a great thing for new people also to realize, know.

You know what I think is also, I want to get Jeff and Taylor's thoughts on what we're talking about. But you know what else is really interesting is that I think a lot of podcast networks, people a lot of times have very similar equipment, but we all on our network have different, you know, I'm on the Sennheiser profile. Michael has his microphone. Lynn has a microphone she uses. Taylor has a microphone she uses, and Jeff has his own microphones that he uses. So it's interesting that we all have different sounds, and we're totally fine with sounding the way we do. And I think that's also pretty interesting is we come bringing our own unique setups, and I think that adds to the personality of our show as well, of our shows, I guess you could say, great.

Another thing I like a lot about our show is that it seems like we have the same goal in mind that I had from my own podcast, which was to appeal not just to blind folks, but to anyone. Yes, and I think that is the really cool thing, because if someone listens to us because they're really interested in this subject that we're talking about, and then we add in some blindness specific information. And I also think that blind folks that sometimes we tend to and all communities do this, where they're kind of stuck in their own thought bubbles. But sometimes, if you really want to know what's going to happen in your own technology, in your own world, you have to look at the wider world, you have to look at AI and how it's going to impact your screen reader or different things like that, where you have to draw connections between your own specific tech issues and the wider world around you, which is going to influence those tech issues. I don't know how I'm communicating that well. But in other words, sometimes we can always talk about our Jaws and whatever, but Jaws and voiceover, they are all influenced by what's happening in the wider world. Like things are changing in web development or things are changing in how people do things. And how is that going to affect us? I mean, how are we going to sort of embrace what's happening in the wider world to our benefit?

Well, and that's a good point because the IACast, ever since I started it and even before that, the I Accessibility report. The I Accessibility report was a blog. I started to review iOS apps for accessibility back in 2010. Then I thought, well, let's make it a podcast. And the goal was to talk about topics that affected accessibility. But not just that, but to focus on mainstream versus assistive technology. Because we've started seeing this resurgence of other devices like the blind Shell and the Capsis phones. I can't remember the exact name of the device now. Yeah, the smart vision. And those have been coming back. But are we going to see people stick with those, or are we going to see people go back to mainstream and we're seeing like the Victor Reader stream, third generation in the sense player, or are people going to use the mainstream? And so I like having those kind of conversations on this podcast as well, because we're comparing and letting people know, if you want something that's specialized tech, you can do that. Or if you want something that's mainstream, you can do that too. And that's what's fantastic about where we are now? And AI adds a whole nother level to that, and that's been the heart of our conversation for the past eight years, and it's going to keep being that part. And I think we're going to talk about in the future, we'll talk about more about AI, but also about VR and other technologies that are emerging and careers and things like that for people that use assistive technology and where we think this stuff is going to go. So, Taylor, can you talk about, do you have any moments with the show that you feel or like an impact on you or that you remember really well or funny moments or things like that?

Yeah, I don't know, because I was here when I accessibility was a business, and it's kind of interesting now how we've turned from a business to a community. It's not really related to the show, but it's related to everything we've been doing. And it's kind of an interesting just to kind of see the things evolve. I don't really have any specific memories per mean, of course, like all the things that, I mean, I think Jason has the most outtakes per person on the show by far. But I don't know in terms of for know, I've made some weird mistakes or anything, but nothing that is so memorable that I still remember it.

Yeah.

I remember my favorite one was, we're talking about being undefederated.

Yes.

Check out our merch store for the Federated. Undefederated.

That made me laugh.

That was so funny.

Yeah, that was a funny. And then we went to more of a straightforward episode naming structure for the IACast. And now we're kind of back to. If we could come up with some funny titles, we'll use those, too. Angie's furry luggage was hilarious. I don't remember how we came up with that anymore, but that was back in the. You know, we've had some pretty funny episode titles. We've kind of changed back to that, and it adds some personality, I think. Jeff, what about you? Were there any episodes that you've been on or part of that know, really resonate or that you remember or that were funny, that kind of thing?

Okay. Yes. I'll tell you something that was very awkward for me, and I actually don't mind admitting this now before, I think it was a little OD to talk about, but was when I was working at Microsoft, and it was an interesting time because I had to be very careful, know things that I could say versus not say or try not to lead with anything that was Microsoft related, and that always made me a bit nervous. So, to be honest, it was a lot harder for me to be on the show at that time because a lot of topics came up that I probably couldn't contribute to, but that was probably the most nerve wracking part of being on the show. I think the funnest times were the outtakes and some of the things that you had to pay to be able to get access to, to hear. And boy, there were some doozies, for sure. You'll have to go back and listen to some of those. There were just some amazing ones. But yeah, we had a really good time and all the conversations were very friendly. I don't think that we ever got into anything too crazy on the show when we were bantering back and forth, but it was good and it still is.

And I think it's awesome, too, that we have different opinions on things, right?

Yeah.

And that's okay. I mean, we don't stick to the script or we don't follow some sort of tech religiousness. Everybody's fair game. I think that's awesome because we're not really stuck on a certain thing. Everybody has their own perspectives, and I think that makes it just gives the show a great creative energy.

And it's interesting, though, and I don't know if any of you guys realize this, but how many of us that are hosts on this show are Apple primarily Apple users? Isn't that weird? We really don't have many. I mean, we have people that have Android phones, like me, Michael DeMAsI, Angie, I do. Taylor, you have one. I think you use it less than we, but I only use it for. So it's interesting because if you think about, like, we really don't have many. Well, Alicia was on Android. She's now switched to iPhone. We really don't have many Android users. We're mainly like an Apple centric network. What are y'all's thoughts on that?

It's funny you mentioned that, because when Lyn was talking about how we all have our own opinion about things and equipment, I was going to unmute and say, and we won't give each other too much of a hard time when we decide to cheat on the iPhone. Because here in the next couple of weeks, I'm going to switch over and see how things work with just using the pixel, and we're sharing those adventures with each other.

I mean, we may call you a trader, probably, but I have Democi who's.

Going to try to trade with me too. So we'll see.

I tried that for a week and I couldn't do it. The shortcuts app alone is a big thing, and I personally do not feel as productive on an Android phone. I know it can do all the things right and they're powerful phones, but I just don't feel as productive. And it may just be that I've used an iPhone since 2007, so I get that.

And we won't argue about this now because it's not. But I am going to say voiceover on IOS is starting to become more and more sluggish. I'm not seeing it be as much of a benefit of being on voiceover on the iPhone. And so I think now it's time to give Android that fair chance and see what is it that I can and where do I face limitations, right?

And that's very fair because as a user, we're going to have a whole episode after they try this to talk about it, because I think this is a good topic, but I'm using it from a visual perspective and not using a screen reader. But there are some things, like, if I was a Mac user, voiceover would drive me crazy, but there are people that love it. But also, I taught Jaws for ten years, so that's just kind of as a screen reader where I'm comfortable, right? So I can use voiceover, but I just tried to avoid it. I'd rather just hop onto Jaws and be able to use my F six or my tab and my quick keys. And that's what I love about our podcast. We just got into a slight tech discussion right there. Spontaneous, spur of the moment tech discussion. And that's what we do. We have our different rooms and things that we go into for co working on the weekends, different organizations, and we just get on the topic of. So, like, before the show, Jeff and.

I were talking about something with know, literally during the pre show. I'm currently working on a WordPress plugin. I won't go too technical, but I'm working on this WordPress plugin. And I was mad that the database didn't want to cooperate with me and Jeff was mad that PayPal didn't want to cooperate.

Yeah. So we're always talking about technology in some way, and that's our passions, and that will always be our passions. So I guess I'll start with you, Jeff, if you can. Where would you like to see this show go in the next 100 episodes?

Well, I think we want to see it continue like it has been I think it's a show that brings a unique perspective to the technology space and just overall user space of the community, whether you're blind or visually impaired or not really. And I think that that's what brings its value. It's not rigid. It's a very free form type of show where we're not doing, as Michael had said earlier in the show, we're not doing this every day. We're not constrained to a specific time or format. So it allows us to have a lot of freedom in what we want to say, and it allows us to just be really creative about it and bring people on that we want to engage with and to say things that we feel are important and basically just be our unique selves, not that these other shows are not. That's not what I'm saying. I just think that this show brings something very unique to the process, and that's what I have loved about it, and that's what I continue to like about it and listen to it every time episodes come out, really, across the network, whether it's this show or others, they all have that unique presence about them. So I think I would like to see, especially if more funding were to come in, more representation at, say, conferences or trade shows or getting out in the field and talking to people and getting interviews and things like that. But that will come in time. We always should think boldly, and if we were to be able to get that level of funding and have that opportunity to do things, say, at CSUN or closing the gap or pick your conference of choice, then we should do that.

I totally agree. I'll get into where I see the show going in a little bit, but I think we're going to find that we're going to mirror each other, all of us, in what we want to see. Whenever I sum up what we're going to make happen next year with the next 100 episodes, but to continue this pattern, Lynn, what would you like to see in the next 100 episodes?

Well, I think Michael B. Touched on something that I think maybe we might want to think about, which is more platform diversity, so that we do invite more Android participation and things outside of the Apple Verse and Microsoft verse. And also, I would say another thing I thought about is maybe some way to include audience participation. Not sure how we would do that, but one more thing I thought about was maybe telling the stories of our struggles, our tech struggles, and how we fix them, because I think I really enjoy, like I was talking about my Bluetooth experience while editing. When you're editing with Bluetooth headphones. There's a lag. There's a Bluetooth lag. And that lag you might not even notice. The thing is, when you're editing and you hit the stop button, sometimes you're not. Right. The playhead doesn't end up where you think it is. And it may be a voiceover issue, but it may also be just a Bluetooth issue. But we all have these weird things that we go through and we find solutions.

That is definitely a Bluetooth isSue.

Yes, absolutely. And it's something I hadn't even thought about. So, yeah, I mean, talking about our tech, and let's not ever dumb things down. We don't need to dumb things down for anyone. We need to geek out and be.

And I want to really emphasize what Lynn just said there, because there are so many resources, so many platforms where you can go to learn the beginnings of technology, learn how to get trained. And I feel like everybody is trying to say, well, you need to teach us how to do that. There are places where you can get that, right? I mean, you can tune into the unmute presents, call on our network and ask questions like how to get started and things like that, and there's places for that. But I feel like there's a lot of our shows on our network and this show, if you want to take that next step and learn that next thing, we are where you go. Right. We're where you go and get that engaging tech conversation that is very tech centric. And I always enjoy when Stephen and Sean on Double Tap say, we are a tech show, we promise, because I think they appeal to a certain audience that they're talking about tech, but also kind of entertaining. And we try to entertain, too, but we know that we can refer people to where they can go and get that beginner knowledge, because I think sometimes there is a group of people, they know how to podcast, they know how to write code, they know how to write documents, they know how to write emails, but they may not know that next thing that they can get their interest or their passions in. And I feel like we kind of provide that because we talk about so many different things that we can get people's interest to that next level of tech just beyond. How do I use my screen reader? Does that make sense?

Yes. And I think many of us crave. We crave a little bit more sophistication in our communication. I think that was talked about at another meeting that I was at where someone said, look, I'm a power user. I need to get beyond just how do I save a file, how do I send it to the printer? I'm somebody that uses WordPress, I program. And there needs to be a place for people like that and for the more advanced user to have some community as.

Agree. I totally agree. So to move us on, Michael Babcock, what about you? What are things that you would like to see in the next 100 episodes of this show specifically?

So I'm going to start here. Number 1100 episodes will be in December of 25. Because I think that's important that we realize the IA cast at that point would be a consistent once a week and I could be off by a couple of weeks on that. But you get what I'm saying, that it's consistent because I think it's a valuable resource for people who are seeking that extra level of tech knowledge. And that again, community. Yes, life happens. But what I've found myself and I think really could help IAcast and make an improvement is that consistent delivery of content, because people come to rely on the content that we provide to them. And I think that's really important. The other thing that hasn't already been said because I completely agree with what both Jeff and Lynn have said so far, but I really think that IACast over the next couple of years can become the go to resource for people to come to hear information about what's coming up in technology and how what's coming up in technology impacts individuals who use accessibility tools. Because all of us experienced the 56K dial up internet growth in the late ninety s, two thousand s, some of us earlier. We won't talk about that. Not me, though. I'm too young to remember Internet before 96.

Anyway.

I think we're positioned to where it's a wide variety. All of us have a visual or sight impairment and that might be different from each of us. But we're in a position to share our findings and opinions with a wide variety of individuals because we all do enjoy experimenting with new technologies. So it'd be interesting to see what we'll be talking about in December of 25.

Yes, well said, well said. And to wrap this group of questions up, Taylor, what about you? What are some things that you would like to see in the episodes?

Okay. I like to make sure I'm unmuted and I would also.

That's always helpful.

Yeah, it is. I really can echo what everybody else has been saying. I don't really have a lot to say for myself other than we need to make IA cast more prevalent than what it is like yes, a lot of people know what IA cast is, but some people have never even heard about it. And I just feel like we need to make it more prevalent around the community and around even getting side of people to listen because I have had a couple of side of people that I know have had listened to the podcast. Sorry. But we also have to just do a little bit more of trying to get, I guess we're doing a good job right now getting the diversity of hosts, but just we want to get a lot of know in the community because Michael and I are programmers, but. Well, I think all of us pretty much, you know, some people may want to do other things in know hardware and other things like that. And I think right now we just need to get a diverse perspective. Of course we talk about the platforms and things like that. I don't really have anything else because I like what everybody else has said.

Yeah, and I agree with you. And I think going to my thoughts and what my plans are, something that I've always wanted for this show and really on the network is I really like the fact that there is content on our network that I'm not part of. So we have our radio station, which is now live on YouTube, by the way, which is really great. We have our radio station, we have our radio like the YouTube, we have the radio, we have the podcast feeds. We have all of these different shows. And you can learn something from shows that you're not, you know, Lynn can go back and listen to technically working and she's not on that show. I can go and listen to Friday fines. I'm not on that show. We all can go listen to Spanish with Carla and learn Spanish, which is really cool. If you have not checked out that show, I highly recommend it. She is great. New episode coming out tomorrow. There's so much content and we're not always on everything, but even this show, I don't always have to be the host. I would love for people to take the initiative and say, I want to host IACast. I want to lead the discussion because I think that that even adds a new perspective that we don't always see because I come up with topics that I think are interesting. But if others that host on the network say I want to bring up a panel and talk about this this week, that would be fantastic to me because then I will tune in and listen to a podcast that I typically host each week, or I would even be fine being a panelist and somebody else hosting that would be totally fine with me. Like if somebody has a topic they want to bring up, and they want to get different perspectives on. That's what this is all about. Because I think that we can use these panels, even as hosts, to say, I want to get these other people's perspectives on this topic that I want to know about because I want to learn. And so I'm very open to that. And I want to see that be a thing on this show in the next 100 episodes, like what was said. I also want to see us go to these different conferences and get interviews, and I think that there is some great equipment we can get to do that. So we will be looking at that as well. But also, I'd like to get other people in the tech community on this show, and I've been thinking about topics to do for that because I don't want to just get people on just to tell their stories, because I feel like that's cookie cutter in very kind of everybody else does that. But if we get that person, and there's a particular person that I have in mind that I love her show all the time, but I would love to get her on a certain perspective or a certain story that would be amazing just to get those different perspectives and topics talked about on this show. So that's kind of what I would like to do with getting guest hosts or not guest hosts, guest panelists, and have them come talk about a particular thing and join in with the conversation that we typically have. And I'm also working on talking to our previous hosts and getting them to come back because I feel like there are some perspectives that have not been on the show in a long time, and we can always use more perspectives on our different panels. So that's something else we're going to be working on. We're also going to be, because I kind of feel like we have a big echo chamber, whether it's unmute presents, IA cast, technically working all of our shows we promote on our platforms, and we don't have a way to really expand that. And so I think we all are going to get together and say, let's talk about how we can incentivize promotion through our community and how we can get our community to pass the word around. Because me and Michael get to see the stats on all of our shows, and we know that there are podcasts in the blindness community out there that get a lot more reach and traction than we do. Wouldn't you say, Michael?

Oh, by far, yeah.

I don't know if it's because of the different kind of content. Maybe there's not as many people that want a more niche or specialized in specific conversation topic, but I think there is. I think there is room for us to get a lot more folks in our community alone, even without bringing in the bigger accessibility or sighted community. And I also think that something that we should look into, and I'm curious your thoughts on this as well. But I think we also need to bring accessibility beyond disability and say, here's how you could customize your device, your tech experience for you, because that's what accessibility has become now is not just the cookie cutter, you got an iPhone, right? That accessibility is moved to the main screen not just because it's for people with disabilities, but accessibility options are for everyone. And I think that's kind of something that we need to focus on in a way we market that is to really explain what accessibility is.

And also one other thing I have been sort of thinking about is trying to interview a lot of us have things that we use, like for example, the company would you juice? That makes the two audio editors that I'm trying to learn how to use right now. And this software is not made for blind people, but I would love to talk to the developer and find out what makes them tick, what were they thinking and what made them include accessibility into their software. I think just talking to the developers I think would be a great thing as well. More interviews with developers just so we can understand their perspective. I agree also to let them know how important and how thankful we are to have accessible apps that work for us. Yeah.

Okay, well, this has been a great conversation. And again, we're going to do another more than 100 more episodes. So we'll be around as a podcast, so you have nothing to worry about there. And we're going to even make this better than ever. And like Michael said, we're going to keep it consistent and we're going to do picks this week, but they're going to be different from typical tech picks. So I'm going to put people on the spot today, and our picks before we wrap up is I want people to give a pick and where they can be found online. But your pick is what is your favorite show on the IAcAST network? And they can be shows that you host. So I just want to throw that out there. So with that all being said, jeff, I'm going to start with you. What is your favorite show on the network? Find you online?

Yeah, this is interesting, Michael. So are you saying, does this include all of the shows, like all the Unmute shows, too.

All the unmute, programmatic, iAcast, Spanish, Carla, all of it. So what's your favorite show?

This is my favorite show, but I'm going to give two. This is my favorite show because I like hearing all of the picks and I like hearing the product news. But the one that I think is really intriguing to me is unmute because it really allows us to see the team at work providing great feedback to community members in ways that's truly engaging and empowering. And that's one of the things that I think makes this group special, is it allows us to do that. And I think that is the show that promotes that heavily. And so those are my picks. You can get a hold of me on Mastodon by following at Jeffbishop at Mastodon Online, or you can email me at [email protected]. Thank you, Michael.

Sure thing. And Lynn, what is your favorite show on the network and where can you be found online?

Yes, I think technically working is, I would say, one of my favorite shows. I love the idea of watching the process of people doing things and working things out. And so it's awesome to be able to go back and listen to the older episodes when you need some pointers on things. And, yeah, I just think it's a great show and it's just I, you can reach me at Feedback at FridayFinds show.

All right. And Taylor, what is your favorite show on the network and where can people find you online?

So technically working is my favorite show, but I have a lot of others. I mean, technically working is great because I can be able to understand stuff that they're talking about. Gravity forms, especially for me. Now that I develop WordPress plugins, I can understand, like, okay, what are some deficiencies that people are having and how can I help? I like the IA accounts for the conversation and the tech stuff, of course, in my mind, I wish you'd be more technical. And that's why I also like programmatic, by the way. We need to do a new episode about that because I really like programmatic because we could talk about the code level stuff, and it's a lot of fun. People can find me online at Tay Tayarndt at Techopolis Social or, sorry, yeah, Techopolis Social. I don't know what I'm thinking. And you can also email me at [email protected] and you can pretty much find me all over the web, on YouTube and all over the place.

Yeah, you better get that Mastodon, right, because I might rename it to Tayte aren't at Techopolis Social. See, I had that in.

Oh, I'm an admin, so I can change it back and I can make your stuff cringe worthy. So I know how to log into that server.

So everybody now knows Taylor's nickname on the IAcast.

And I'm not that happy with you, Michael.

All right.

You'll have to improve my database connection for that.

All right, Michael, what about you? What is your favorite show on the network and where can people find you?

So I appreciate all the kind words about technically working. My favorite show is unmute. Kind of like where Jeff was going with that. With Unmute, it's never the same. You're going to get the same general types of questions, but there's always going to be someone who's going to bring a question that either I don't have an answer to or Marty doesn't have an answer to, or we think we know the answers, but we need to quickly look up the information. And I like that franticness. But I also like the fact that you can go there to learn something new and the community is teaching each other how to do things as well. I think that for me, is the most fun, because if I could step back from Unmute presents, for example, and not host that, and there'd be a reliable team or a reliable group of people that could host that and provide the same valuable insight to people, I think that would be exciting. And so I want to see where that grows. You can find me payone. Payown at Unmute Community on Mastodon, I think. And Michael at Payone Media is my email.

Fantastic. So my pick, it's hard to pick. Just like. Like Taylor, I think my favorite show has to be technically working just because I like. I mean, there's some episodes that I'm like, okay, they're back on audio editing. I'm going to kind of glaze over for a bit. But that's the thing though. There are people that are really interested in that this weekend. They were talking about several different things and I was really into it the whole time. And the one piece of feedback know, I feel like with this show is, it is very much a conversation between Michael and Damasi. But one thing know, we've done a lot of posts on Mastodon and things like that, but it would be interesting to see to get more of like an interactive where the network can interact with the show and be like, throw not really questions, but like, okay, you guys mentioned this and here's how you can fix that. And then kind of see where it goes from there. Does that make sense? I think that would be really fun.

Let me ask you real quick, how do you want to submit that feedback?

I don't know. I think something that would be where you guys can get it during the show because there's sometimes I'm like, I know the answer to that and I'm.

Trying to mask it on.

Yeah, I have a solution.

All right, next week is going to be fun. We're going to try a solution. I will go over it with you guys later, but I have an answer and I think you're going to like it.

Awesome. Because I think that's the one thing is it's a very static show. But I'm like, oh, if people could be on the radio or on the YouTube and be like, tune in or do whatever Michael's idea is and be like, oh, well, you're having this problem with gravity forms. If you just do this, it's like, oh, that would be really cool. So that's my only thought. But I love technically working because there's so many good conversations that you have.

Discord.

Yeah, totally think it's awesome. That's another topic is we do have a discord for the I accessibility community and I think we're going to be lighting that up again and making that a little bit more engaging and putting some links out there for people to join. So there's so many possibilities, so many things that are going to be changing and being improved. So technically working is probably my favorite show. I enjoy my show programmatic. I just need to come up with new ideas and the way I was doing eleven Labs was not working. So we're going to kind of refactor that programming term and build something new out of it and kind of work through the debug process. How many of those can I add and make a better podcast? And that will be coming back. As you know, like Taylor said, technically working programmatic in this show are my favorites. Just because of the. Well, partly the amount for programmatic in this, how much involvement, you know, you should enjoy the content you create is a very important. Yeah, so you could find me online on Mastodon, at Mikedoeys, at Techopolis Social. I'Mike Doeies on X. I still throw that out there if people want to find me. I'm Michael Doeies on Facebook and you can email me at [email protected] and I'm all over the web. I want to thank you all for being here. This has been a fantastic 200th celebration episode. We've talked about previous episodes, we've laughed about things, and we've talked about where we're going to go and our favorites. And so I think just talking about those things, I hope will get you guys as our listeners out there, really interested in what we do as a podcast network and what we do as a show. If you want to send us feedback, you can at [email protected] and we want to really get you guys all involved, so we're going to be working on ways to do that. Also, keep in mind the IAccessibility website. There is new blog posts at the IAccessibility report that are coming out pretty regularly now, so there's been a few that have already been posted and there's more to come. So check that [email protected]. And there's so much more coming next year. So thank you all for a wonderful episode. Thank you, Lyn, Taylor, Michael, and Jeff. You guys have been fantastic, and we'll see you all next week for episode 201.

Take care, everybody.

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